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Growing Tomatoes: Prepper's Garden Guide

Tomatoes are the most productive prepper crop you can grow — fresh off the vine in summer, canned or dried for year-round storage, and self-perpetuating through seed saving. This guide covers variety selection, seed saving, soil prep, planting timing, and every preservation method worth knowing.

Why Tomatoes Are the Top Prepper Crop

No other vegetable delivers across as many preparedness priorities simultaneously as the tomato. It produces fresh calories in summer. It cans into shelf-stable food that lasts 1-2 years. It dries into lightweight, calorie-dense storage food. It produces seeds you can save and replant indefinitely from open-pollinated varieties. And in a survival or grid-down scenario, a mature tomato plant is one of the most visibly productive things growing in any garden — a morale asset as much as a caloric one.

Consider the production numbers. A single healthy indeterminate tomato plant in decent soil produces 15-30 lbs of fruit over a season. Ten plants — a 40-foot row — yields 150-300 lbs. That’s enough to eat fresh all summer and still put up dozens of quarts of canned sauce, whole tomatoes, and dried product that carries through winter and into the following year.

Tomatoes are also calorie-dense relative to other fresh vegetables. Raw tomatoes are not a calorie powerhouse — about 20 calories per cup — but concentrated tomato products are a different story. Tomato paste runs roughly 50 calories per tablespoon; dehydrated tomatoes can reach 250 calories per cup. A garden that produces abundant tomatoes becomes a calorie multiplier when the harvest flows into paste and dried product.

The strategic position is this: tomatoes fed into a proper preservation system — canning, drying, freezing — become one of the most important components of a full-year food storage plan.


Determinate vs. Indeterminate Varieties

This is the most important structural decision in tomato planning, and most gardeners don’t think about it until they’re staring at a vine that has climbed over its cage and is lying on the ground.

Determinate (Bush) Varieties

Determinate tomatoes grow to a genetically programmed height — usually 3-4 feet — and then stop. They set fruit heavily over a compressed 4-6 week window, with most of the crop ripening within that span, then production tapers off rapidly.

What this means for preppers: Determinates are the canning varieties. A large harvest of ripe fruit arriving together is exactly what you want when you’re setting up the canning operation. You pick a day — or a week — process the entire crop at once, and put up 40 quarts of sauce in a single run. Then the plant winds down and you’re done with that variety.

Key characteristics:

  • Compact growth, minimal staking required
  • Concentrated fruit set — ideal for batch canning
  • Shorter season, useful in climates with early frosts
  • Easier to manage in small spaces

Indeterminate (Vining) Varieties

Indeterminate tomatoes keep growing until frost kills them. The vine continues extending while simultaneously setting and ripening fruit — a plant that started the season at knee height in May can reach 6-8 feet by August. They need substantial support: heavy-duty caging, staking, or a trellis system.

What this means for preppers: Indeterminates supply the fresh-eating season. They produce from early summer through the first hard frost — a continuous harvest that provides fresh vegetables for months. They’re also where the most flavorful heirloom varieties live.

Key characteristics:

  • Continuous production from first set to frost
  • Require caging or staking — standard tomato cages from garden centers are inadequate for most vigorous indeterminates; build or buy heavy-gauge cages at least 5 feet tall
  • Season-long harvest, ideal for fresh eating
  • Most heirloom slicers and cherry types are indeterminate

The practical recommendation: Grow both. Run a block of determinate paste types — Roma, San Marzano, or Amish Paste — dedicated to the canning operation. Alongside them, run 3-5 indeterminate heirloom slicers and cherry types for fresh eating and seed saving. The determinates feed the jars; the indeterminates feed the household through the growing season.


Best Varieties for Preppers

Variety selection matters more for tomatoes than almost any other crop. The wrong variety in the wrong climate produces disappointment. The right variety in the right conditions produces abundance.

The one non-negotiable rule for preppers: grow open-pollinated (OP) or heirloom varieties only. Hybrid tomatoes do not breed true. Save seed from a hybrid and you’ll get unpredictable offspring — some productive, many not, none reliably like the parent. Open-pollinated and heirloom varieties reproduce true to type. They are the foundation of a self-renewing seed supply.

Roma

The most widely grown canning tomato in North America, and for good reason. Roma is a compact determinate plant (3-4 feet) that produces heavy loads of plum-shaped, 3-4 oz fruits with thick walls, mealy flesh, low moisture, and few seeds. The combination of meaty texture and low water content means you get more paste per pound than any high-moisture slicing tomato. Paste takes less boiling-down time, uses less fuel, and produces a richer product.

Roma is widely available, consistently productive, and a solid first canning variety. It is open-pollinated and saves well.

San Marzano

The Italian benchmark for sauce and canning. San Marzano produces elongated, pointed fruits — typically 5-6 inches long — with two seed cavities instead of the usual four, an exceptionally thick wall-to-seed ratio, and concentrated sweet-tart flavor. It is the tomato used in authentic Neapolitan pizza sauce. For paste and sauce production, nothing beats it on flavor.

San Marzano is an indeterminate variety and grows vigorously — expect 5-6 feet and stake accordingly. It’s slightly more demanding than Roma in terms of support requirements, but the flavor payoff is significant. Open-pollinated; seed-saveable.

Cherokee Purple

A Tennessee heirloom slicing tomato with a distinctive deep purple-red color, rich and complex flavor (often described as slightly smoky with sweet and acidic notes in balance), and good heat tolerance. Cherokee Purple is an indeterminate that produces large, irregular fruits — typical of heirloom slicers — in the 12-16 oz range.

It’s not a canning tomato. It’s the tomato that gets eaten fresh at peak summer, that goes into the salad and gets sliced on the plate, and that provides seeds for perpetual production. Heat tolerance makes it a strong choice for southern growers.

Mortgage Lifter

A legendary American heirloom developed in West Virginia in the 1930s by M.C. “Radiator Charlie” Biol, who sold plants for $1 each and paid off his mortgage in six years — hence the name. Mortgage Lifter produces enormous beefsteak-style fruits, often 1-2 lbs each, with meaty, low-acid, sweet flesh. It is genuinely exceptional eating.

The seed-saving story makes it especially relevant for preppers. Mortgage Lifter is open-pollinated, comes true from seed, and has proven adapted to a wide range of American climates over 80+ years of informal selection. Saving seed from your best Mortgage Lifter fruit and replanting it year after year gradually adapts the variety to your specific soil and conditions — the same process that created the original strain.

As an indeterminate, it grows 5-6 feet and produces steadily from midsummer through frost. Not a paste or canning tomato — fresh eating, seed saving, and morale.

Cherry Tomatoes

Cherry tomatoes are the highest-yield per plant of any tomato type, and the easiest to grow. Matt’s Wild Cherry, an OP variety with tiny 1/2-inch fruits, is nearly unkillable — extremely disease-tolerant, crack-resistant, and productive in conditions that challenge larger varieties. Chocolate Cherry is a larger (1-inch) OP cherry with good flavor and dual red-brown coloring.

For preservation, cherry tomatoes dry exceptionally well. Halved and dehydrated, they concentrate to an intensely flavored product that stores 1-2 years. The small size means little to no processing before drying.

For a climate-adapted short-season option, Stupice — a Czech heirloom that sets fruit at cooler temperatures than most varieties — produces small, flavorful fruits in 60-65 days and handles cold nights better than almost anything else in this list.


Seed Saving from Open-Pollinated and Heirloom Varieties

The most important practice in the prepper’s tomato garden is closing the loop on seeds. Once you’re saving your own, the tomato garden becomes self-sustaining indefinitely — no seed order required after the initial purchase.

Tomato seeds require fermentation before storage because they are surrounded by a germination-inhibiting gel coating. Drying seeds directly without removing this coating dramatically reduces germination rates.

The fermentation process:

  1. Select the best fruit from your healthiest, most productive plants — not just any ripe tomato. You’re selecting for the traits you want to perpetuate: yield, disease resistance, flavor, size.

  2. Cut the selected tomato across the middle and squeeze seeds and gel into a small glass jar. Add 1-2 tablespoons of water.

  3. Leave the jar uncovered at room temperature for 2-3 days. Stir once daily. A layer of white or gray mold will form on the surface — this is expected and part of the process. The fermentation dissolves the gel coating and destroys some seed-borne pathogens.

  4. After 2-3 days, add water to the jar and pour off floating material — debris and non-viable seeds float, viable seeds sink. Repeat 2-3 times until water runs clear.

  5. Spread seeds on a ceramic plate or glass surface (not paper towels — they bond to seeds when drying). Allow to air dry at room temperature for 1-2 weeks, stirring daily to prevent clumping.

  6. Test dryness: seeds should snap cleanly when bent, not flex. Any moisture causes mold in storage.

  7. Store in a labeled paper envelope inside a sealed glass jar with a silica gel desiccant packet. Keep in a cool, dark location. Properly stored tomato seeds remain viable 4-6 years, often longer.

Isolation note: Tomatoes are largely self-pollinating and cross at relatively low rates (1-5% under normal garden conditions). For casual seed saving with acceptable purity, growing multiple varieties side-by-side without isolation produces seeds that are reliable enough for most purposes. For strict variety maintenance, maintain 25 feet between varieties or bag flower clusters before they open.


Starting from Seed vs. Transplants

Starting from seed is the correct choice for preppers for one reason: seed sovereignty. You can start from seed, save seed from your harvest, and never need to purchase again. Transplants from a garden center are almost always hybrids — you cannot save seed from them and get the same plant. Even when OP transplants are available, garden centers stock a narrow selection. The full range of prepper-relevant varieties — Roma, San Marzano, Cherokee Purple, Mortgage Lifter, Amish Paste — only exists in seed form.

The practical trade-off: starting from seed requires an 8-12 week indoor growing period before transplanting. You need a grow light (a standard south-facing window produces leggy, weak seedlings), seed starting mix, and containers.

Using transplants is acceptable as a bridge while you learn the system, or in a year when your seed-starting setup isn’t ready. If buying transplants, look for locally grown OP varieties from small nurseries or farmers’ markets. Avoid big-box garden center tomatoes — they are overwhelmingly hybrid, and the variety selection reflects retail uniformity, not productivity or preservation value.

The goal is to transition to full seed-starting within 1-2 seasons. Once you’re saving seed from open-pollinated varieties, you’ve built the permanent foundation.


Soil Requirements

Tomatoes are heavy feeders that grow in one spot for the entire season — 4-5 months from transplant to frost in most climates. Soil preparation before planting determines what’s available to the plant all season. You cannot fix poor soil after transplanting.

What tomatoes need:

  • pH 6.0-6.8: Outside this range, nutrient availability drops even when fertility is adequate. Calcium becomes unavailable at lower pH, which contributes directly to blossom end rot. Test soil pH before planting and amend if needed — lime raises pH, sulfur lowers it.
  • Well-draining structure: Tomato roots need oxygen. Compacted clay soil that holds standing water kills roots and creates conditions for soilborne fungal diseases. In heavy soils, raised beds with amended growing medium are the most reliable solution.
  • Rich in organic matter: Compost provides the slow-release fertility tomatoes need across a long season. Work 2-3 inches of finished compost into the planting area.
  • Calcium availability: Adequate calcium prevents blossom end rot. If your soil tests calcium-deficient, amend with gypsum or ground limestone at planting.

Pre-plant fertilization: Incorporate a balanced fertilizer (5-10-5 or similar) into the soil at planting. Tomatoes need phosphorus for root establishment and potassium for fruit development — a well-balanced starter fertilizer provides both. Avoid high-nitrogen fertilizers at planting; excess nitrogen early in the season produces lush green growth at the expense of fruit set.

Rotation: Do not plant tomatoes (or peppers, eggplant, or potatoes — all in the Solanaceae family) in the same bed in consecutive years. Soilborne diseases including early blight, Verticillium wilt, and Fusarium wilt build up in soil where solanums grow continuously. Rotate to a different bed and return no sooner than every 3 years.


Planting Timing

Start seeds indoors 6-8 weeks before your average last frost date. This timing produces a transplant-ready seedling — stocky, hardened off, and ready for outdoor conditions — that goes into the ground as soon as the season allows.

Starting too early (10-12 weeks before frost) produces oversized, root-bound plants that struggle to establish. Starting too late means transplanting younger seedlings with less time to produce before frost.

By typical last frost date:

  • Last frost May 15 → start seeds March 20 to April 1
  • Last frost May 1 → start seeds March 6 to March 20
  • Last frost April 15 → start seeds February 18 to March 4
  • Last frost June 1 → start seeds April 6 to April 20

Find your local last frost date through the USDA plant hardiness zone map or your state cooperative extension service.

Outdoor transplant timing: Tomatoes are warm-season crops and cannot tolerate frost. Transplant outdoors after the last frost date has passed and nighttime temperatures consistently stay above 50°F. Cold nights below 50°F cause chilling stress; below 45°F causes cellular damage. More importantly, tomatoes will not set fruit when nighttime temperatures drop below 55°F — cool nights early in the season delay production more than people realize.

Soil temperature at planting should be at least 60°F. Planting into cold soil stunts root development even if air temperatures are adequate.


Spacing and Support

Spacing:

  • Determinate varieties: 18-24 inches between plants, rows 3 feet apart
  • Indeterminate varieties: 24-36 inches between plants, rows 4 feet apart

Adequate spacing allows airflow between plants, which is your primary tool for reducing foliar disease. Crowded plants in humid conditions develop blight faster and more severely than well-spaced plants in the same garden.

Support systems:

Standard wire tomato cages from garden centers — the conical ones — are adequate for determinates but fail entirely for vigorous indeterminate heirlooms. A Mortgage Lifter or San Marzano growing to 6 feet will collapse a standard cage by August.

For indeterminates, use one of the following:

  • Heavy-gauge cattle panel or concrete reinforcing wire cages: Cut into cylinders 18-24 inches in diameter and 5-6 feet tall. These hold any tomato variety without staking. Initial cost is higher but they last decades.
  • Florida weave/basket weave: Run a stake every 4-5 plants, weave twine between plants and stakes in alternating rows as plants grow. Cost-effective for long production rows.
  • Single stake + pruning: A single 6-foot stake per plant combined with pruning to 1-2 main stems. Requires weekly attention to tie and prune, but maximizes airflow and is appropriate for high-disease-pressure environments.

Heirloom indeterminates that reach 6-8 feet — San Marzano, Brandywine, Mortgage Lifter — need the most support. Plan for this before you plant.


Watering: Consistency Is Everything

Tomatoes are unforgiving of erratic watering. The most common moisture-related problem — blossom end rot — is not caused by a lack of water per se but by a disruption in consistent moisture that prevents calcium uptake at the cellular level. Alternating wet and dry conditions, even in calcium-rich soil, can trigger blossom end rot.

Target: 1-1.5 inches of water per week from rain and irrigation combined. Deep, infrequent watering (every 2-3 days in hot weather) is better than shallow daily watering. Deep watering encourages roots to grow downward; shallow watering keeps roots near the surface where they’re more vulnerable to heat stress.

Drip irrigation is the gold standard for tomatoes — delivers water directly to the root zone, keeps foliage dry (reducing foliar disease), and maintains consistent soil moisture automatically. A simple drip system with a timer is one of the highest-return investments in a serious prepper garden.

Mulch for moisture retention: Apply 3-4 inches of straw, wood chips, or shredded leaves around plants (not touching the stem) after transplanting. Mulch reduces evaporation, moderates soil temperature, suppresses weeds, and significantly reduces the frequency of watering needed. It also reduces soilborne disease by preventing rain splash from carrying pathogens from soil onto lower leaves.

Signs of inconsistent moisture:

  • Blossom end rot: dark, sunken, leathery spots on the blossom end (bottom) of fruit — caused by calcium deficiency triggered by inconsistent watering
  • Fruit cracking: radial or concentric cracks on ripening fruit — caused by rapid water uptake after a dry period, which causes the flesh to expand faster than the skin
  • Hollow or puffy fruit: a period of drought during cell division produces fruit with large seed cavities and little flesh

Reducing at end of season: In the final 2-3 weeks before anticipated harvest, reduce watering slightly. This concentrates sugars in the fruit and can help trigger ripening of remaining green tomatoes before frost.


Common Problems

Early Blight and Late Blight

Early blight (Alternaria solani) is the most common tomato disease in North America — a fungal problem that causes concentric ring spots on lower leaves, starting mid-season. It is almost inevitable in humid climates; the question is how fast it progresses.

Management: remove affected lower leaves as soon as spots appear to slow spread. Maintain good airflow with adequate spacing and pruning. Apply copper-based organic fungicide on a 7-10 day preventive schedule in high-pressure regions. Mulching to reduce soil splash significantly delays onset.

Late blight (Phytophthora infestans) is the more serious disease — the same pathogen responsible for the Irish Potato Famine. It spreads rapidly in cool, wet conditions (under 70°F with high humidity) and can destroy a planting in days. Symptoms include water-soaked lesions that turn brown-black on leaves and stems, with white fuzzy sporulation on the undersides of leaves. There is no cure once late blight is established; affected plants should be removed immediately and not composted.

Prevention: avoid overhead irrigation, space plants for maximum airflow, apply preventive copper fungicide before conditions become favorable.

Tomato Hornworm

The tomato hornworm (Manduca quinquemaculata) is the larva of the five-spotted hawk moth — a green caterpillar that can reach 4 inches long, nearly invisible against tomato foliage. Hornworms consume entire branches and can defoliate a plant rapidly.

Detection: look for frass (dark green pellets) on leaves and soil beneath the plant — this is easier to spot than the caterpillar itself. Check the undersides of leaves in the area above the frass.

Management: hand-pick and destroy. Hornworms infected with braconid wasp eggs will show rows of small white cocoons on their bodies — these parasitized caterpillars are being consumed from the inside and should be left alone; the wasps that emerge will parasitize more hornworms. Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) applied to foliage is an effective organic option for severe infestations.

Fruit Cracking

Radial cracks (from stem to blossom end) and concentric cracks (rings around the stem end) are both caused by uneven moisture. The fruit expands rapidly after a soaking rain or heavy irrigation following a dry period, splitting the skin.

Prevention is almost entirely about consistent watering and mulching. Cherry tomatoes crack more readily than larger varieties; crack-resistant OP cherry types like Matt’s Wild Cherry are worth selecting for humid climates.


Harvesting

Tomatoes ripen from the inside out — a tomato that has reached full color on the outside has usually been at peak quality for 1-3 days. Waiting for the “perfect” red often means overripe fruit.

For fresh eating: Harvest when the tomato has reached full color for its variety and gives slightly to gentle pressure. Don’t refrigerate fresh tomatoes — cold temperatures destroy the enzymes responsible for flavor and convert sugars in ways that make tomatoes mealy and flavorless. Store at room temperature and eat within a week of harvest.

For canning: Harvest at peak ripeness or just past. Overripe tomatoes work for sauce but have higher potential for spoilage organisms and lower acidity — for water bath canning, always add 1 tablespoon of bottled lemon juice per pint (2 tablespoons per quart) regardless of variety to guarantee safe acid levels.

Green tomatoes before frost: When frost is imminent, harvest all mature green tomatoes — those that have reached full size and begun to lighten from dark green to yellowish-green. These will ripen off the vine stored at 55-70°F (not refrigerator temperature). Small cherry tomatoes and very immature fruits won’t ripen; prioritize full-size fruit. Green tomatoes also make excellent pickles and green salsa.


Preserving the Harvest

The tomato harvest in most climates is concentrated in a 6-8 week window. Without preservation, most of it spoils. A prepper’s tomato garden is only as valuable as the preservation system behind it.

Canning Whole Tomatoes and Sauce

Water bath canning is the standard method for high-acid tomatoes. Properly canned tomatoes store 1-2 years at peak quality, longer for safety purposes.

Whole tomatoes: Blanch in boiling water for 30-60 seconds to loosen skins, peel, pack into hot quart jars with 1-inch headspace, add 2 tablespoons bottled lemon juice per quart, and process in a boiling water bath canner for 45 minutes (quarts) or 35 minutes (pints) at altitudes below 1,000 feet.

Sauce: Cook down peeled, crushed tomatoes to desired consistency. Add aromatics as appropriate — onion, garlic, basil, oregano. For a comprehensive method and timing guide, see our spaghetti sauce canning recipe. Adding sauteed onions and garlic (see growing garlic for homegrown supply) significantly increases the caloric and flavor value of canned sauce. Processing time increases when low-acid additions are included; always use tested recipes.

Freezing

The lowest-effort preservation method. Core tomatoes, quarter or crush, and pack into freezer bags or containers. No blanching required for sauce use. Shelf life: 12-18 months. Texture after thawing is soft — frozen tomatoes are for cooked applications only, not fresh eating.

For large volumes, the “one-step sauce freeze” method works well: roast quartered tomatoes with olive oil and garlic at 400°F until collapsed and caramelized, then blend and freeze in quart containers. This produces a rich, concentrated sauce base that takes up less freezer space per serving than raw frozen tomatoes.

Sun-Drying and Dehydrating

Dried tomatoes have the best long-term storage characteristics of any tomato preservation method: 1-2 years in sealed containers at room temperature, longer frozen.

Oven drying: Halve paste tomatoes, arrange cut-side-up on baking sheets, season with salt, and dry at 200°F for 8-12 hours until leathery but pliable. Drizzle with olive oil and store in sealed glass jars refrigerated for up to 6 months, or without oil in airtight containers for shelf storage.

Dehydrator: A food dehydrator is faster and more energy-efficient than oven drying. Set at 135°F for 8-10 hours for halved cherry tomatoes, 10-14 hours for sliced paste tomatoes. Finished product should be leathery with no moisture pockets.

Sun-drying is the traditional method — halved tomatoes spread on screens in direct sun for 3-5 days, brought in at night. Requires consistently hot, dry weather (ideally above 95°F during the day with low humidity). Practical in Mediterranean-climate regions and hot, dry western states; problematic in humid eastern climates where mold is a constant risk.

Dried tomatoes rehydrate in 20-30 minutes in warm water and can be used in any cooked application. They’re excellent in soups, stews, sauces, and rice dishes — a high-value shelf-stable ingredient for any food storage rotation.


Integrating Tomatoes into Your Food Storage System

A tomato garden at scale — 10-20 plants combining determinates for canning and indeterminates for fresh eating — can contribute meaningfully to a full year of food storage. The math: 20 plants producing a conservative 15 lbs each yields 300 lbs of tomatoes. Canning converts roughly 20-22 lbs of fresh tomatoes to 7 quarts of whole tomatoes or sauce. That 300-lb harvest produces approximately 100 quarts of shelf-stable product — nearly 2 quarts per week for a full year.

This is the kind of output that justifies the space, time, and seed investment. Combined with a root cellar for winter storage, chickens for protein, and crops like growing garlic for preservation flavor staples, a serious tomato operation becomes a structural part of a year-round food production system.

For the full picture of how garden production connects to long-term storage strategy, see the emergency food storage guide.


The PrepperIQ Take

Tomatoes earn their position as the anchor crop in any serious prepper garden because they hit every requirement at once. They produce in volume. They preserve in multiple formats. They supply seeds indefinitely when you grow open-pollinated varieties. And a garden with a good tomato harvest running into a well-operated canning operation is a qualitatively different food storage system than one without it.

The two decisions that matter most: grow open-pollinated varieties only (Roma, San Marzano, Amish Paste, Mortgage Lifter — not hybrid transplants from a garden center), and run determinates alongside indeterminates so you have both a canning harvest and a continuous fresh supply.

Get the watering consistent, get adequate support under the vines, and start seeds indoors on time. The rest is execution.

A garden that puts up 50-100 quarts of tomatoes per year has done something more important than a single season of food production. It’s demonstrated a repeatable system.


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Frequently Asked Questions

What are the best tomato varieties to grow for canning?

Paste-type varieties are the gold standard for canning. Roma is the most widely available: meaty, low moisture, few seeds, and high acid. San Marzano is the Italian benchmark for pasta sauce — thicker walls, more intense flavor, and an exceptional sauce-to-seed ratio. Amish Paste is a larger paste type (8-12 oz per fruit) that is arguably the most productive canning tomato per plant. All three are open-pollinated and can be seed-saved. For a blended approach, grow a block of paste types for sauce and canning alongside a few slicing varieties for fresh eating.

How do you save tomato seeds?

Use the fermentation method: squeeze seeds and gel from a fully ripe tomato into a small jar with a tablespoon of water. Leave at room temperature for 2-3 days, stirring daily. A layer of mold will form on the surface — this is normal. The fermentation breaks down the germination-inhibiting gel coating. After 2-3 days, add water and pour off floating debris; viable seeds sink. Rinse until the water runs clear, then spread seeds on a glass or ceramic plate to dry for 1-2 weeks. Store in a paper envelope inside a sealed glass jar with a desiccant packet. Properly stored tomato seeds stay viable for 4-6 years, sometimes longer.